Weather Innovators: Manos and WeatherXM

New Era of Decentralized Weather Monitoring

Episode Summary

In this episode, I chat with Manos, the co-founder of WeatherXM, who shares their hardware project's fascinating journey from building the first LoRaWAN network in Greece to its pivot into blockchain-enabled weather data management. 

The team initially started in 2012 with the idea of building a crowd-sourced weather observation network. However, it wasn't until 2019 that they combined their hardware expertise with the concepts of Filecoin and Helium to create WeatherXM. The company has since manufactured and sold thousands of home weather stations and is preparing for its token launch on the mainnet. They are also exploring partnerships and business models to expand their reach and impact in the weather data industry.

Manos also discusses an interesting idea that can support global expansion - it is a model that separates the financial investment from the operational management of weather stations. This strategy would enable patrons in affluent nations to fund weather station installations for others in developing regions.

It is a fascinating and also motivating journey. Make sure you listen to the whole episode!

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:37 The Journey to Crypto

09:24 Developing WeatherXM Hardware

14:16 The Crypto Pivot

21:42 Exploring Filecoin and Helium

26:33 Formation of WeatherXM in Switzerland

31:42 Separation of Entities and the Association

32:49 Sales and Expansion

36:36 Plans for Mainnet Launch

39:23 Future Steps for WeatherXM

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BFG (aka Pete): 0:23

Because of Filecoin and Helium that we decided that it makes sense to try this new approach, the decentralized physical network approach that we're doing today with. WeatherXM

Manos (WeatherXM): 0:39

Hello everyone, welcome back. Today I am here with Manos and I am super excited to have him on because he's one of a few projects which is actually hardware. There's something to touch, something nice you can put into your garden or your house probably. I told him before we started that I'm a big hardware fan because I worked on some hardware projects myself and I was impressed with Helium's progress over the past probably three years. Welcome, Manos, very happy to have you.

BFG (aka Pete): 1:17

Happy to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Manos (WeatherXM): 1:19

Wonderful, so let's jump right in. I always ask the first question is how did you end up in crypto? How do you got here?

BFG (aka Pete): 1:29

How long do you want this answer to be? It depends. Okay, let me give you a try to squeeze it, but there's a funny element into this. We came up with this, so the team has been together in WeatherXM. The team has been together for many vaguely.. The project goes back . It goes back to 2012. In 2012, we were four colleagues. We were working in a research facility as computer engineers here in Greece when we decided we want to try to see the start-up side of things. so we were trying to come up with some ideas to build a product and try to monetize on a product, and so on. That's when the original idea was created of WeatherXM, but at the time it had nothing to do with crypto, it was a crowd-sourced weather observation network. The vision was let's build a global network similar to Weather Underground, if you're familiar with, which was popular at the time. Let's do a better job than what Weather Underground did and let's put our own hardware into that and those sort of things. That first attempt. We ended up in Silicon Valley at some point in San Francisco, a team of a few friends the colleagues I was talking- about. We were pitching to investors this crazy idea of a global weather network, and it didn't go very well, as you can imagine, because we were all engineers. We had no idea how to approach this from an entrepreneurial point of view. During that time, we were discussing among ourselves about this new idea that is called Bitcoin. I was like this is stupid. This is like who cares? Let's build this weather network. Who cares about Bitcoin? Now? It has been on our radar since forever the crypto side of things. It's just that it took us many, many years to come up with a way to combine the two. It was actually because of Filecoin and Helium that we decided that it makes sense to try this new approach, the decentralized physical network approach that we're doing today with WeatherXM.

Manos (WeatherXM): 4:15

I see impressive. Is it fair to assume that it's still the same team? You guys started together. You're still together.

BFG (aka Pete): 4:24

One of my co-founders, stratos. We've been together since that trip, and other people joined the year fourth of the years, so the core team has been together for about seven years now, I think since 2015.

Manos (WeatherXM): 4:43

Impressive. Okay, how long did it take to develop your own hardware?

BFG (aka Pete): 4:48

Whoa huh, so I.

Manos (WeatherXM): 4:53

First version because I assume you know, still improving. It's always improving, but like so we started.

BFG (aka Pete): 5:02

Yeah, again, there's a lot of background stuff that I can share here. This is just. I don't know how much time you want.

Manos (WeatherXM): 5:11

We need to fit into like 30 minutes, so I Leave that up to you.

BFG (aka Pete): 5:17

So the company well, the, the, the company that is closer to what we're doing today, but not the original, not today's company. It's called X Machina Exm, oh yeah, which is the Greek company that we founded in 2015 With the team that we are today, basically. And so in 2015 we were doing environmental IOT, industrial IOT projects for large enterprises like the Athens Airport or the Motorways or energy utility companies, and that's what I'm saying so, at the time, we were deploying various sensors, and one of them, well, the typical Thing that we had to deploy in most of our projects was a weather station, so we came across a Number of challenges like one. The number one was that weather stations are really, really legacy, old-school technology Because they are designed for governance and universities. So the the options we had at the time in 2015, we're very limited and the personal weather stations were slightly more modern, yet extremely Old in our point of view as engineers, so that the notices they were using. So, if you think about it, in to in 2015, it wasn't even obvious that a weather station has to be connected to the internet. So there were a lot of options there of weather stations that you Download the data with a USB stick or something like it was. It sounded crazy to us and at the same time, we, we, we were the Athens, we were the team that pushed Nora one as a technology in Greece. We were part of the of the things network, which is, in a way, the European helium. It's, if I'm not mistaken, it started before helium as a community project, so that's around 2015, and Without any incentive. It was, you know, for the benefit of the mankind, of the humankind, and so we can all learn. So. So we joined our movement. We set it up, the first public Laura one infrastructure in Athens. We did a couple of commercial projects with private networks using Laura one sensors. So at that time we we were Assembling our own hardware, but we were not manufacturing hardware. So we were picking up components of the market and we were writing our own firmware. So we were choosing open source, open hardware, components, devices, iot nodes and we were running, we were developing our own firmware and we were connecting our own sensors. So we were, you know, assembling our own products in a way which is similar to what helium was doing at the same time, and and and we were completely disappointed with the result, because so, from one end, we had really bad weather stations, the you know the complete solutions, and then we were trying to do something better, but we were using components that they were not ideal for what we wanted to achieve. For example, we could. There wasn't hardware that could support Wi-Fi and Laura one and Bluetooth and 4g at the same time. That was an overkill and we thought that should be mandatory, like why? Why restrict a weather station the capability to communicate with multiple protocols and just to save, like you know, $5 or $1 in components. I can totally see the engineering mind in this yeah, and obviously not the entrepreneurs. The engineers like let's put as many features as we can into this. So so, to answer your question, in 2018, after we had Assembled a lot of Frankenstein hardware like we were combined 3d printing plastics and combining components and writing our own firmware and hacking existing PCBs so we can add their chains functionality it was in 2018 that we decided we're gonna do our own thing from scratch and put it to mass manufacturing. And yeah, and still there's no crypto there. And so we applied to hacks. Hacks is the worst, largest or most famous hardware accelerator.

Manos (WeatherXM): 10:05

It's a part of so is the. It's a big VC.

BFG (aka Pete): 10:10

And we went to Shenzhen, for people from the team relocated to Shenzhen for four months In an effort to build our own weather station from scratch. And actually I have the first program here.

Manos (WeatherXM): 10:26

Let's see it Well, I have parts of the first program.

BFG (aka Pete): 10:36

Some parts this thing involved Well, there were many versions of this, but essentially evolved into this PCB and which supports Laura one. They have 4g from the top and Wi-Fi Bluetooth, which is the we that's, that's what we thought at the time was the most important aspect to have multiple communication protocols. And also we innovated in a number of things. We we tried to design our own solid state sensors so we can detect precipitation, inhale and a number of other things, and without having any moving parts. So we created a lot of low level sensors that we were hoping with machine learning we could train them to be accurate, even though the sensors started from scratch by our design. Long story short, this consumed the entire 2018 and a lot of energy from our end, and this product never made it to mass production. So we just had engineering samples, we collaborated with factories, but we never put it into production and we kind of skipped that and went to more mature products that existed in the market already, but we were talking with the factories that were producing them, so we had the luxury of modifying the electronics to suit our needs, so we didn't have to start from scratch. So the products that you see in the market today, out of weather exam, they were building that way. We had all the knowledge of starting from scratch. And then we stopped that effort and went to existing off the market products and we modified the electronics and the firmware and branded it as ours.

Manos (WeatherXM): 12:37

Well, I think so. It's definitely a long journey but nevertheless pretty impressive, and I think there's nothing wrong. If somebody's making something you can use and it's already good, why not to use it? But by trying to make your own thing, you usually learn a lot of things which would be otherwise hidden, so that's impressive. The part when the teams from Hexgo actually to Shenzhen always seemed very interesting and good. They're like well designed from the acceleration perspective to me, so I'm happy to finally talk to someone for whom it worked in a way.

BFG (aka Pete): 13:26

Well, we've done a huge pivot since then, the crypto pivot that we did that in 2019. And essentially what we did there is we didn't only change completely the business model and everything. We had to do a major change in the hardware and create a hardware that didn't exist essentially, and still doesn't exist Outside of our ecosystem, which is a weather station that has cryptographic proofs, so it's a weather station that signs the payload, signs the data of the sensors with a cryptogen, so it can prove later. So the data that we produce, we can prove that they were produced by this specific device at a specific point in time From that specific location, because we also have GPS data and secure communication between the microcontroller and GPS, and that was so easy for us to do at that time in 2019, when we decided so in 2019, we decided let's explore this web 3, spin and helium approach and so on. And because we had all this experience because we were already we had a product in the market for almost one year, more than a year, with our own PCB, with our own firmware that we were constantly improving almost on a daily basis and we had a lot of experience from all that, it was very easy to just add the crypto element to this. Yeah, I can imagine it wouldn't have been, and we wouldn't come up with this idea, if we didn't have all this experience.

Manos (WeatherXM): 15:19

True. What I'm thinking now is, you know, as you said it, so In 2019, I think it was it was definitely far from obvious that you know the time when everybody will want everything signed and somehow confirmed that it's really what it is saying it is. It wasn't definitely obvious. I think it's pretty obvious now, right? So everybody will want to sign everything. Really, just to you know, make sure that if I am saying I wrote this, this is really mine. If you are saying this is from this weather station, it really is, and so it was. It was a great foresight. Well, where you guys, you know, very drawn towards the crypto because of the kind of helium early successes, or was it because it was always at the back of your mind and you just didn't know how to fit it in?

BFG (aka Pete): 16:18

So we were looking at IPFS as a cool technology, and so then we were looking at Filecoin as a cool business model, and I was, you know, I was to be honest. I preferred the Filecoin concept and Bitcoin itself because to me, having a utility attached to the coin that is powering this ecosystem, it makes a lot more sense than just having something that we all have to agree that has value. So so Filecoin was the first influence, let's say, and then, and then helium, in the sense that we were already part of the things that work ecosystem. So we had a very good idea of what's happening in the things network. And when helium did the first steps, we were looking at it and thinking typical Americans, they're attaching, you know they're putting fuel and they're putting gasoline into the hole and you know monetary value by using crypto. Let's see how this goes. And then, obviously it went very well and we were thinking like well, we can combine the three concepts like Filecoin, helium and weather Right Into what you see today.

Manos (WeatherXM): 17:48

Basically, that's amazing and I'm glad you mentioned it, because this is a big community right In the crypto space to Cheryl, like Bitcoin diehards and they think Bitcoin is everything, and my background is actually finance and statistics, even though I work the whole life in tech and startups and I had access to Bitcoin fairly early but I never really saw it as anything interesting, so I won't reply. Except I did e-pop in just a minute. Okay, thank you, where'sisuic. I mean it's okay if you want to have some. So I'm all for the concept of like self-custody, you know, and keep your own wallets, have your own keys, some privacy, ideally as well. But the concept like let's have global money which is called Bitcoin and let's just trust it because it's algorithmically, you know, run, didn't really appeal to me as well, compared to Ethereum, where you know the whole ecosystem kind of makes sense. So you want to do some automations, you want to run some things, you want to do something with it, not just, you know, look at it and say, oh, this is digital gold. So, yeah, I totally understand that, can I, you know? It just begs question the device behind you, is it the newest prototype? Is it the current thing which you guys are selling? What's that?

BFG (aka Pete): 19:29

So this one on my head that we should actually I should create a cup. So that's the first generation, but this one here is actually one of the oldest ones, so this is what we were selling before we did a crypto pivot, so this is a gateway an IoT gateway that supports all the. For us, this one is the outdoor sensors that we combine with the, with the M where's the camera here? With the first product that we shipped. So this is the M5 stack. We combine this with those outdoor sensors and that was the. That is today the Wi-Fi solution Then. Then we did. This is the second version of our party world second family of hardware.

Manos (WeatherXM): 20:23

This is the helium compatible one.

BFG (aka Pete): 20:27

So so this is autonomous in the sense that it doesn't require any other gateway than the helium gateway with their distributor already. So it works as is, and the latest version is this one. So this is, in a way, an improved version of what we had a few years ago. We built this again in a collaboration with another company, and we are doing the firmware from scratch. It looks very sleek, yeah, yeah, it's very sexy. It has. All this is. This is the solar panel, and it's very modular. So it has two slots here that you can insert cartridges that support different products. And the beauty here is that we can support many different types of weather equipment weather stations, weather sensors so we can move closer to industrial use cases, because we have a lot of customers now that are asking for more expensive, let's say, equipment, and that's that opens the door to that. Very nice.

Manos (WeatherXM): 21:46

Yeah, love that. Once I will settle down again somewhere. They have to get one of those. So let's come back to the project. So that was around 2019. You mentioned that you guys moved in the direction of Filecore and Slash helium idea, and so let's take it from there. Where are you now?

BFG (aka Pete): 22:21

Okay, so in. So what happened is like. Let me take you from there to today actually very quickly. So in 2019, we were actually exploring business models and use cases that had data sovereignty attached to them. So we were thinking like we should do a solution for farmers, that is, precision agriculture oriented with weather data, but yet all the data end up in Filecoin or IPFS and then the end user has ownership on the data and they can control what happens. So this is like initially we didn't think that we should just do helium for weather. Initially, we thought that we should do something to go against the stream of centralized ownership of data, basically by large corporations. So I think that the first idea there was, like, let's have that fight with the big companies. And so when we were working in that space, in that sector, we thought it was necessary to have the hardware connected directly with some kind of decentralized technology so it can offload the data without having a centralized entity in the middle. So the first ever prototype or proof of concept that we did was having one of the weather stations connecting directly to IPFS and offloading the weather data assigned there. And there okay, so who cares? Like, okay, maybe that's cool from a technology perspective, but we're trying to make some sense business sense out of this. So we thought, okay, let's connect this with a chain link, with using the chain link protocol. Let's connect it to an Ethereum smart contract that is pretending to be a parametric weather insurance. So we did a very simple proof of concept where you can use some kind of weather protection and that protection is triggered by the hardware directly and you get a compensation without having to have an entity in the middle, and we released this as an open source project, so it's somewhere in our repo at 2019. And while we were exploring all these ideas, and at that time we didn't think that doing healing for weather was a good idea because it felt like it's too much. It felt like this is too complicated for such a small team to handle and that's why we were exploring the agriculture solution space. So when we launched that, when we released that project that proof of concept we kind of advertised it in a chain link hackathon, I think, where protocol labs was sponsored. So they found it in the end. So consensus and protocol labs came to us and suggested that we should pursue this as a venture, as a startup idea, and initially we were like no, no, no, we're okay. I mean, we have a business already. We have a company. We know this was just an experiment, just to get an idea on the Web3 space. But in the end it was them actually who convinced us that we can pull off the healing for weather idea, which sounded crazy at the time. But we were in a position to communicate it to them. So we joined the Tachyon accelerator. That's the name of the second accelerator that we have joined which was consensus and protocol labs made, and that's basically when the project had formed in the figure that you see today. Okay, when was that? Practically in 2020. So I think weatherexemptcom as a website was launched then in 2020. We started pre-selling hardware, I think at the end of somewhere there like end of the summer, beginning of winter of 20. And, to be honest, we were selling hardware in the end of the summer of 20. And, to be honest, we were selling hardware at that point. We were selling hardware that we knew we were capable of producing but we didn't have. So we were pre-selling an idea, sure, and a lot of people supported us at that point. There were a lot of people buying the hardware when there was not a lot of information about the project, or you know there was. it was a big risk, I think, to buy that hardware at that time from an outsider's perspective, and those poor people had to wait for many months to receive the first devices.

Manos (WeatherXM): 28:14

Well, I think you know probably everybody who was supporting you already had the Kickstarter experience. Like you know, things are still coming like two years after the deadline. Sometimes you know teams make it finally you know, it's just not on a timeline. So you basically just like something you see, you buy it and then you forget about it. And when the package shows up, it's like, oh, nice surprise. Okay, so what happened with the previous company? Did you guys merge those two, or you are basically sitting on two chairs now?

BFG (aka Pete): 28:55

Yeah, well, kind of. So the old company, the Greek entity, is still here alive, it's just that we have reduced the scope to. It has kept a couple of large enterprise customers that we had long contracts with, so we had to keep them, and it was initially the company that we used to manufacture the hardware, Because what happened later on was at the end of 2021, we did our first fundraise proper fundraise Seaground because the accelerators were giving us some capital as well. Obviously it was very limited. So at the end of 2001, we did a funding round of 5 million with placeholder VC Chris Bruniski was leading the round and at that point we still didn't have an entity to put that money in. I see and we didn't have any other entity than the Greek entity to produce the hardware either, and we were already producing hardware. We were already. I think we were yeah, I'm not sure, maybe I'm mistaken the dates, but we were already in production because we had a lot of pre-sales at that point. So we created a new company in Switzerland beginning of 2022, to benefit from a mature crypto legislation environment, which, at the time, was nowhere to be found and still is a little bit gray. So we're engineers and we wanted to have a conservative approach when it comes to the legal aspect of things. So we wanted to find an environment where what we did was not considered dodgy or anything. So Switzerland at that time had a mature framework. They had a distinction between what is a security, what is a utility token and so on. So that's why we decided to found the company in Switzerland, even though none of us has anything to do with Switzerland and, yeah, so we created the company in 2022. We received the capital from the funding round, but we still have the old Greek company that was producing the hardware. So, within the year of 2022, we separated those two entities. By the way, this is another thing that we are just doing this here. We are separating the network from the company because in November, we founded the association in Switzerland that is in charge of the network. That's the big rapper of the DAO, so we have to go through this process again of separating some stuff that we have in the company. We have to hand it over to the network now. So, initially it was the hardware. Now it's more than the hardware.

Manos (WeatherXM): 32:29

Absolutely Okay, so I think. Just a quick follow-up question. So how many devices have you guys sold? I mean the ones which are actually the WeatherXM network right now?

BFG (aka Pete): 32:43

So we have manufactured almost 8,000 units in these three types of devices that I mentioned. We have sold around 6,000 at this point and 4,000 are connected on the network, Okay nice.

Manos (WeatherXM): 33:02

So basically it means Sorry, sorry, just finish yourself.

BFG (aka Pete): 33:07

Yeah, I was saying that they distributed in more than 80 countries, so that's a very good. I mean, obviously most of the stations are US and EU based, but overall we have a very good distribution on a worldwide scale. That's visible in the Explorer, the WeatherXMcom.

Manos (WeatherXM): 33:28

So basically, if I go to the website now and I buy the station, I'm not really pre-ordering it. It's actually ready to be shipped.

BFG (aka Pete): 33:38

Yeah, we have 8,000, so we still have 2 more thousand in stock and we're actually organizing the next batches of manufacturing at this point because we expect there will be a lot of demand this year.

Manos (WeatherXM): 33:51

Cool, is there. So I think when I checked it kind of looked that it's pretty, let's say, almost pro level weather station. Is there any other plans that you guys would go like kind of scale it down to achieve, let's say, more acceptable price points for certain parts of the world? Or no plans at the moment.

BFG (aka Pete): 34:22

Yes, but not in the way that you're thinking about it. So first of all, this is like the lowest cost weather station that you can have that is decent enough to produce data that are usable. So if you go lower in terms, of hardware I think it doesn't make sense in. It's not the quality of the data that we would collect. It wouldn't have a lot of value and even at this range we still have a lot of trouble fine tuning some elements here, because what we're selling at the $400 range, what we're selling is a low cost, all in one personal weather station, essentially. So it's already a stretch to use that hardware for industrial applications. So we have customers where the cost of deployment is multiple times higher than the cost of the hardware. So if they, have to visit the space again to do a repair or something. It doesn't make sense for them to have so cheap hardware. They would have rather spent five, ten times more and never have to visit the place again. And that's what the 4G generation unlocks, in a way, but also that's what the community provides as well. So that hardware is perfectly suited for the community approach, where you put the weather station to your backyard and if something goes wrong, it's easy. You can maintain it, you take it down, you spray it with WD-40 or you clean it, or you replace a component or you change the batteries. We're using AA batteries on those stations. It's not very industrial if you think about it.

Manos (WeatherXM): 36:15

Right, right, so you got me there. Obviously my lack of experience.

BFG (aka Pete): 36:22

For the developing countries, though, for merging markets and for air. This is our top priority, to be honest, and so we do want to see our network people in places that don't have weather infrastructure, because we come from a poor place ourselves. I mean most of the team is based in Greece. Greece is an agriculture place where the infrastructure is really not there In any way. You see it, at least in my point of view. So we really understand this problem and we want to prioritize for countries that don't have the luxury of an expensive, mature weather infrastructure. But the way to solve this problem is not by dropping the cost of the hardware lower, because we think it's already quite low, but it's trying different business models and one of the things that we're going to try in the next few weeks. Actually, hopefully it will be announced soon. So this is an alpha, this is a first. We have been working on this idea of decapling the owner from the operator of a weather station. And so we want to have somebody paying for the capital expense of the hardware, benefiting from the rewards but transferring the operation burden to a different person, to somebody in a developing country that actually needs the weather data more than the owner of the station, who's probably in a rich country that has decent weather infrastructure already. So we are trying to set up a mechanism to manage this thing. So there is a donor and a guarantee in this concept. But the donor is like an impact investment, like it's not exactly a clean donor ship. So we have been exploring these ideas with Gidcoin and Giveth and some centralized exchanges and we're trying to find a balance where parts of this process take place in a pure donation platform and then other parts take place in places that people are more familiar with, those ideas of assigning, sharing, let's say, benefits and rewards of the projects that they support in the Web3 space.

Manos (WeatherXM): 39:15

That's actually super interesting. It didn't cross my mind directly as an option, but I remember discussing similar idea with one of the projects which was working on some network hardware and yeah, it totally makes sense. I think, of course, if you can somehow align the incentives, so there needs to be the need on both sides for something, but I think in your case definitely seems like it might work. So what are the next steps for 2024, for Web3 exam?

BFG (aka Pete): 40:03

Yeah, so we've been all this time. Our token has been on a testnet and we made it so far without having to use, without doing the traditional things that other crypto projects did when they when they started in a way. So we we wanted to build the infrastructure first, we wanted to create value out of our ideas and then do the token loans. So we recently moved, we did a lot of changes in the project as well, so we moved from polygon to arbitrum and Ethereum, so it's a hybrid thing. So the plan is for next month probably, to go on mainnet, so that essentially officially means the launch of the token. Yes, there you go. Yeah, well, we, I think we mentioned it in our community like a few days ago, so, but yeah, it's still, it's fresh news. Not everybody knows this and yeah, so we are planning to move the rewards, the token rewards, on mainnet in February and and this unlocks a lot of new opportunities and new ideas that we have been working on all this time For example, collaborations with other projects that are on chain in many different directions, like whether it's from the parametric weather insurance stuff that we have been exploring, or obviously we have continued to explore, or other ways that we can produce weather services that are meaningful for P2B companies, for Well web, to companies as well, because, you know, at the end of the day, we produce weather data, we produce improved weather forecasts, and that's a service that a lot of companies need, and they don't care how it is made and they don't care about the crypto aspect of things. They just want the weather data in areas that know whether they existed or a more accurate weather forecast.

Manos (WeatherXM): 42:31

Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. Not that I'm an expert in you know whether B2B things, but I can imagine there, you know, if there is a simple, accessible and, let's say, cost acceptable way to get weather data, there might be a huge interest, basically from almost anybody who has anything to do from you know, like tourism, agriculture, obviously, insurance or, you know, utilities Basically everybody who's already buying the data, plus many more who don't, and who just now use the Saki Weather app, which tells you it's going to rain and it's sunshine, but yeah, so I totally see that. Okay, that looks very exciting. Anything else you would like to add? Because we touched on like 40 minutes, so I want to be mindful of your time and also, you know, try to keep it relatively concise. So anything else you want to shout out?

BFG (aka Pete): 43:43

Not that I reckon pick up right now. I mean, our priorities right now is to focus on the token launch and then the new hardware that is ready for some time now but we haven't shipped it yet. The 4G is still. We're still, you know, delaying it, so we can focus on one thing at a time. We're also fundraising, so there's a lot of things happening in the next one, two months Fundraising from VCs, not from the top. So, yeah, I think we have enough in our play for 2024. And it's going to be a thing is going to be an exciting year for all crypto projects anyway, and especially for Deppin, which is picking up popularity, so I'm really excited that we have positioned ourselves at this spot at this point in time by all the work that has happened in the past.

Manos (WeatherXM): 44:50

So, yeah, totally, totally definitely looks like an exciting year ahead of you guys. I wish you success with the fundraising. Of course it shouldn't be a problem and everybody go check the weather exam because the devices look awesome and you can you know, you can have your own weather station. Who can say?

BFG (aka Pete): 45:16

that.

Manos (WeatherXM): 45:16

Come on. Thank you very much, Carlos. It was great pleasure talking to you and I hope to see you or some of your colleagues in the future with some updates. Thank you, yeah thank you Bye.

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