Winny's Fusion of Fashion, Tech, and Blockchain

Let's have fun! What happened to fun in Web3 space!

Episode Summary

Imagine stitching together the worlds of fashion, technology, and blockchain. For the story of a former fashion intern turned crypto advocate, I think it's fair to say that Winny's story is almost one of academic defiance, a near-failed thesis.

In this conversation with Winnie from Gossip, we talk about her journey into crypto and her involvement in various projects. She shares her interest in blockchain for sustainability and transparency in the fashion industry, as well as her experiences working with growth agencies, curating galleries, and launching NFT projects. That makes for a very interesting conversation and for a very long list of links that you'll find at the end of show notes.

When Winnie introduces Gossip Protocol, you will find out that it's her platform for creating fun and engaging marketing experiences for blockchain products. FUN is the name of the game here. She will also talk about Chipped, her collaboration with Kiki World to create NFC-enabled press-on nails. We conclude the conversation with a point on voting (go vote for your favorite color!) and co-creation in the crypto space.

But let me tell you - even if you are not into fashion, nor blockchain, this is the episode you need to listen to in its entirety.

Takeaways

  • Winnie's journey into the crypto space was driven by her interest in blockchain for sustainability and transparency in the fashion industry.

  • She has been involved in various projects, including growth agencies, curating galleries, and launching NFT projects which ultimately led to Gossip.

  • Gossip Protocol is Winny's platform for creating fun and engaging marketing campaigns for blockchain products.

  • Chipped is a collaboration with Kiki World to create NFC-enabled press-on nails, allowing for unique digital experiences.

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00:20 Introduction and Background

03:38 Interest in Crypto and Blockchain

09:10 Involvement in Shillr.xyz

09:55 Involvement in Figurgot

13:34 Creation of Gossip Protocol

16:39 Collaboration with Kiki World and Chipped

19:25 Prototype and Activation of Chipped

24:38 Refining the Manufacturing Process

25:47 Upcoming Release of Chipped

29:59 Voting and Co-Creation with Kiki World

33:00 Closing Remarks

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Transcript

BFG: 0:24

Hello everyone. So we are back at Web3Magic Today. I'm speaking with Winny and, as I told her before we started recording, I was a little bit confused about what she actually does in crypto. But she will tell you and I think it might be interesting for both sides well, all sides but my wife was intrigued way more than I was initially, and you will hear why very soon. Welcome, Winny.

Winny.eth: 0:54

Hi, thank you so much for having me.

BFG: 0:56

So I'll start with the typical question. We always try to figure out how my guests got to crypto space and what intrigued them in the first place. It's kind of trying to show the human side, if there is any. So what was your journey?

Winny.eth: 1:14

For sure. So I started getting interested in crypto in around 2017. I was a 20 year old unpaid intern living in New York and a lot of my friends are really into mining and I just got really fascinated by it back then. Not enough to cook me in, because I was actually a fashion intern. I was a fashion student as well at the time, so it just wasn't really there was no alignment back then. But as I slowly fell out of love with the fashion industry from like a sustainability standpoint and just the entirety of the ethics of that industry, I kind of took a year out of uni. I worked in private finance for a bit in KYC, and that really made me realize, oh my god, this system is so fucked. So I went back yeah, and that really pushed me. So that was then probably 2018, going into 2019, got a bit more interested in Bitcoin, got a bit more interested in that whole side of things Still not enough to really be like, oh, this is absolutely fascinating to me. So I was finishing, I went back to uni, I finished my undergrad still in fashion, and I went to a talk by Maga McDonald from Vogue Business and Kerry Murphy from the Fabricant and this. I've never looked at something and be like, oh my god, this is it digital fashion on chain, you know, or like just everything that they were talking about. I was like, oh my god, this is exactly everything that I've been trying to find. So, yeah, in 2019, I wrote my undergrad thesis on the application of blockchain for sustainability and transparency in the fashion industry and my professor pretty much called me an idiot. I think I got about 42% on that paper, nearly failed my undergrad, and so, out of spite, out of spite, I was like, cool, I'm going to do a masters in computer science. Never coded, had no idea how to code. So I went, I did a masters. It was computer science and business together, so it wasn't like, oh, CS, but it was still like enough for me to be like, oh my god, this is horrible. But you know, out of spite, we got a phish so and that was like during COVID and everything as well, so naturally found out in the kind of crypto rabbit hole like so much more. And then I moved to France because of Brexit and then I just then I was in. I was in a new country, I didn't really have any friends, I was inside all of the time and I just found my home on crypto Twitter in about in like October 2020 and just have kind of been doing stuff ever since.

BFG: 3:39

Awesome, I like. The journey Kind of reminded me how old I am. But yeah, I would definitely love to read the paper on the fashion it deserved the grade it got.

Winny.eth: 3:55

It was the worst I've ever written, because she was like I remember one of the comments being you're obviously very enthusiastic about this, but there is like nothing to support it. And I was like, yeah, it's a thesis, it's like there is nothing, but I stuck by it and we're still here, so I think it was a good one.

BFG: 4:15

Yeah, apparently I mean yeah and yeah. Fabric on this, one of my favorite, even though I'm not into fashion as everybody can see when they see me. But that's definitely it's an interesting angle. So I'm not into fashion but I'm into beauty. I like colors, beauty of things you can look at, whether digitally or in real life. So fabric can make it very easy, because it's very easier to look at digital things, whether it's fashion or art then just walk around the real life and try to find a gallery or try to find a fashion show. So I totally understand that. It popped up in my mind. So where are you from originally?

Winny.eth: 5:02

I'm actually from an island in between France and England, but I lived in France for three years.

BFG: 5:08

I see, and now you're living in.

Winny.eth: 5:10

In Paris, in Paris.

BFG: 5:12

Yeah, still, paris it's nice, Paris is cool.

Winny.eth: 5:16

I love Paris.

BFG: 5:17

Is it you like Paris, but you don't like French? Or is it you like Paris and French?

Winny.eth: 5:24

There's a lot of my family are French, so it's just a running joke. It's like oh, we love France despite the French, but I secretly love the French.

BFG: 5:32

Okay.

Winny.eth: 5:35

They've done some bad things, but they do a lot of good things. They do a lot of things, right?

BFG: 5:39

Yeah, I apologize to my French friends. I just had to say that.

Winny.eth: 5:44

It's a running joke, everybody, I guess.

BFG: 5:45

Okay, so now you've started the crypto journey and there is a number of projects you've been involved in, but I assume there is. The main one is with the NFC chips and nails and other things. So I leave it up to you which one do you want to talk about all of them, or you want to just start with the main one and take us through there?

Winny.eth: 6:17

I mean, yeah, I can do a little backtrack, because everything relates to the journey of how I got to Gossip protocol and Chipped where I am now. So in 2021, I was part of the founding team of Shiller. xyz, which was a growth agency that we just saw a massive issue back then of just so many rug projects coming out. So we kind of wanted to use our reputation as leverage to be like hey, these are projects that we're working with and supporting and we're helping with marketing campaigns and growth and strategy and just actually trying to bring decent projects to forwards instead of just getting all of these all of these rugs. That actually did come out in the summer of 2021. And that was an incredible journey. I learned so much about what I meant to build in this space and, like, fungible or Bernardo are probably two of the most incredible human beings I've ever met and they are sailing that ship in such an incredible way now. We worked with some insane projects back then. I think one of my favorite ones was it was a small one but it was really impactful, I think for kind of understanding the vision of what I wanted to do in this industry was working with Niels Jewell, who's a film producer in Hollywood. So we were trying to help see how we can use NFTs but not use them as a security to get funding for films, because, like, it takes seven years to get a film funded in Hollywood and all of like LA is a horrible place. It's where dreams go to die, I think, mostly because there's no work there anymore. Anything that's do a film work gets shipped off to Georgia, the country, because it's so much cheaper than it is to get stuff filmed in the US. So it was all about just trying to, you know, bring back. I love film. I'm a huge, huge film fan, so it was that that just really resonated with me. I thought it was a really impactful, incredible thing to show how we can just use NFTs and crypto outside of like financial incentives, and that's just always been something that's really stuck with me is being like, oh, follow the MO and the money will come. Like I don't come into the space just thinking, oh, let's just chase a bag. There's real issues in this world besides shit coins and I just think, and also I think that's why our industry has such a bad reputation because it is all just about scamming and shit coins and just the cabal or whatever. When we could actually one first of all, we could be having fun Like what happens to having fun until we could actually like it's, it's not all just about you know a thousand X thing or it's, it's what. It's so silly and it's really frustrating, because I love this space sometimes a bit too much, but yeah, so she really was fantastic. I really loved it there. And then after, oh, and then, while I was at Sheila, I also was a curator for this gallery in Prague called Crypto Portal, with my friend, sam Gittes, who's an incredible DJ, incredible, incredible, incredible curator, and we just did like six months of curating this gallery in the old square in Prague, like it was probably one of my favorite things I've ever done in my entire life, because it was such an incredible opportunity to give back to artists and showcase them and it just really proves. It really proved the ethos of blockchain and borderless and being able to put art somewhere without making an artist go through customs or make them ship it somewhere. Or it was like, hey, send me the IPFS and we can put it on a screen and people are going to be able to see it and they can scan a QR code, even though I hate QR codes, but it works for now. The QR code then goes to their open sea or their website and it just proved the importance of what we're doing. And, yeah, that was one fun thing. And then after that, I moved on to a project called Figuregot, which I was at for around 18 months. It was meant to launch at the end of the bull market last year, but it was just. It was such a beautiful project. Jess Wiseman is probably one of the most amazing 3D artists I've ever seen in my entire life. That girl is a wizard. I have no idea how one person can create Pixar level studio animations just in her bedroom. So it was such a joy to work on that. They were like these little robot 3D rendered figurines and like the 3D figurines are coming out. Now the merch is all coming out. It's. It was truly a labor of love, but I think it just got to the point with that where it's Jess and Callum, who are a brother and sister, who are running it, and it was just kind of time for me to move on to my own thing as well. But we had a really great run with that. Even before we launched the NFT, we had a booth at ComplexCon with Coinbase, and this is where I really started to go into the idea of how do we start creating experiences that don't have blockchain at the forefront of it, like, how do we create something fun and enjoyable and then only after we realized, oh shit, that's on chain? So we had this super cute booth that was like a kind of a workshop, like. It looked like a like a bit like a literal, a literal workshop. I'll send you pictures of it, and we also only had about two weeks to do this, to do a 20 fricking. What's it? However, meter, 20 foot by 20 foot booth at Coinbase. You need a by three meter. And we're like, oh God, we all live in Europe, this is in LA, how are we going to do this? But we had this idea of just getting these like just making tote bags which had an outline of a drawing of a figure, got on it and I could really adjust his beautiful style. And we just had those on a table in the middle of our booth and it became a respite for conference scours, because ComplexCon is a really intense conference and people were just coming and they're like, oh wait, we can just sit here and color in. And I was like, yeah, just come, hang out. And they're like, oh my God, this is so fun. And then we'd sit with people they'd start talking about. They'd be like, oh my God, this is crypto. And it's like, yeah, how do we make things as unthreatening as possible and make it enjoyable and make people engage first and ask questions later, because that's how we're going to get it. If we're trying to shove blockchain down people's throats, it's not going to work. We've got to. You know, it's like a little cat. You know you've got to put the pill inside the ham and that's how you get it. Yeah. So and then I took a little bit of time off over the summer. I'm a big scuba diver, so I spent my summer just diving in Greece having a little bit of fun, because I hadn't had a break in about two years. So but I was also just kind of looking for, like, what was going to be my next thing, and so I started gossip protocol over the summer as well, just kind of being like oh, I want to, I want to have a podcast. I thought about. I thought about wanting to do a podcast and I also thought about wanting to just kind of my whole thing is that we have so many things in this industry that are amazing and so many protocols, so many products, but no one's using them, and we want mass adoption without internal adoption. So I really wanted to try and find a way to start facilitating use of products and also to start aggregating them. So you know, how do we get people putting podcasts on chain and using decentralized social media and all that kind of all that jazz, and but I was like this is just not it. Not like it wasn't it, but I was like there's something else that I want to do. So gossip protocol is what I would kind of consider. So we're like simply chips like comes under gossip. It's a collaboration with Kiki world, but I'll get to that in a moment, just to like make sure there's no confusion. Gossip is pretty much what I want. I want it to be the mischief of Web three. So if you're familiar with mischief, they're the ones who do like product drops and experienced drops like the big red boots. So I want to do collaborations and, you know, launches with existing protocols and products and something that wouldn't traditionally align with their general marketing and create something that creates campaigns that are worthy of like viral mainstream internet. So one of the really the first thing that we did that was so, so fun, was with love on, was with Unlily. If you saw love on leverage. The dating show, so I'm lonely. We're launching a new product on their site like a besting feature so they could bet on live streams. So we took to unsuspecting people Well, I think it was 16 in total, but pairs of people in crypto and but they were blind dates with each other to see if they would hit it off.

BFG: 14:54

Okay, it could be fun.

Winny.eth: 14:56

It was very fun. It was very chaotic, we had a very good time and the and you could bet on the outcome of the date whether the girl would say yes to another date, and it was. It was very fun. There's a lot of dancing, a lot of yours. Yeah, it was.

BFG: 15:13

And hey, it was a good way.

Winny.eth: 15:16

It was a good way to launch the product, that they knew their new feature. So that's kind of I kind of fell in love with that. I think it's just maybe it's chasing the adrenaline, chasing the rush of, you know, launching, launching things, but I think that was kind of where I really wanted to go gossip and there's. So that brings us to kind of like Kiki World. I have been a huge fan of Kiki World ever since their inception about a year ago. I was like, oh my gosh, decentralization and beauty, this is my whole jam. So moving my table, yeah. So when we had like we had this little girls founder branch in New York in, I think, september and it was me and Ldf she's part of gossip as well we were like, oh gosh, is no one going to come to this branch? We have a whole table of like 20 empty seats. Like, oh my god, no one's going to come. The first person to show up was Yana, the founder of founder of Kiki, and one of the first thing she says was how do I work with you guys? And we were like this is the exact reason why we invited you. We want the exact same. So I just I had this really, really rough Figma board of the concept, of the concept for chips, and I was like I want to do this, I want to make this. And she's like great, I have suppliers, you've got this, let's get on it tomorrow. And so originally the inception came about was about, I think just I, just under a year ago, I started putting I do my own acrylic nails because you know it's like recession call like nails are expensive, and didn't yeah, I wasn't really working that much, didn't want to like be spending 50 quid or 100 quid every two weeks on nails, because I also got like climbing I do a lot of sports. Taking them on and off again adds up unnecessarily and I just learned to do them myself. And also it's very fun. It's very fun to have like a little thing to do on you know Friday Twitter spaces. So I just started putting an NFC chip in it and then I was going to conferences and being like hey, like, oh, it's my telegram, tap this, tap this. And people got very excited about it. There's some other really incredible women in the space who do similar things, like Sage Storm is another one. She's also an incredible nail artist and she she does it as well. So it wasn't like a novel idea and there was inspiration from a lot of people, but it was, you know, getting that in a way that was scalable for, like me, to sit down and be putting them in my friends nails was just like not a scalable idea. So I was like, why don't we try and create a set of press ons that I can just and I also just got fed up of trying to line up my nails with before a conference so why don't we create a set that we can just kind of whack on before a conference and program it, and then we're good to go, and then I can just take them off after the conference? I still have them, and then I can redo them every conference, right, so, and then that takes us to, yeah, so, new York. So yeah, I'm not gonna gossip chipped. Within about six weeks we had a prototype and normally when you're trying to create something like this is a good couple of months to try and get a prototype. It was a mess because no one's ever actually done this before, because it's kind of hard to put a bit of hardware inside a heat compression and not kill anything like not like ruin the chips and make sure that they all, they all right, the heat is the problem. The heat and the pressure because it was compression molded. So that was our first prototype. We're now up to about, I want to say, like 50 prototypes and different. So currently, right now, I have another one, so it's one of my. Now, normally they're not cut like this. I just cut it because these other press ones are cut. But you can see there is a chip underneath there. I haven't programmed it because I literally just did these a split second before I came on here, but I can literally just program it. I'll do it later, but yeah, where are we at with the timeline. So then we got a couple of hundred prototypes made and then we did an activation, actually backtrack a little bit. Sorry, I've got the little sign. So, yeah, cool, it goes to social media, it goes to telegram. But I'm like, how do we take this on chain? How do we make this interesting? So I was like, why don't I program it with a credential that is proof that you met me IRL, like a proof of vibes, or yeah. So if you met me at what conference was it? Was it ETH? No, what was between ETH and C and DevConnect? I don't remember. But if you tap my now, it would create an attestation to you that said we met. So then we started working with discoxyz, the data backpack that allows, and we created it. They created a new schema for this. That was, when you create an attestation, it actually puts it in both our wallets that attest that we both met. And then you can also make a mutual one. So when you think about social graphs, like on Facebook, it's a two way, it's a mutual kind of relationship, but then when you're on Twitter, it's a one way following. So it's we're trying to see how we could take that and put that into kind of like a social, like an attestation, kind of standpoint. So, taking this concept, we took it to Istanbul at DevConnect, like end of November, so really, so really recently and we chipped over like 250 people I think it was in the end 200 to 50 and had over 1000.

BFG: 20:45

Damn, I haven't seen anyone chip. How is that possible?

Winny.eth: 20:49

Really A lot of people tip them off because they personally learned about PMF is that they were long and annoying, Like the nails are really long and a lot of the people that we did chip for guys. So it was like yeah, okay, we need to kind of work out what the physical thing product that we actually ship is going to be. So and there was over like 1200 people who actually did it yeah that was a little bit of an association is made, which is incredible to just see the social graph and like the physical social graph of everything, everything that that was made. So, and that's where my brain goes blank. Yeah.

BFG: 21:31

No, no worries, no worries. So you know, it's like I don't know why. Why the playoffs popped out into my mind. But I would say like better done.

Winny.eth: 21:47

Okay, so this is I have. I have a fun issue and I use case for I actually have a call with pop this week to kind of just talk, to actually go through this. I don't like how apps right now because I don't like the live location and time doxing because I was at and you know I'm a female in this space. I kind of like my privacy to you know I've had to maintain a certain level of my own privacy, but I was at a gallery. I was at like an event here in Paris, at a gallery event, and I scanned the power and within about five minutes my friend who I was with gets a text being like oh, are you with Winnie at this gallery event? I just saw the power, I checked and I was like I fucking hate that that's a horrid yeah, worse than Facebook and four square together. So, yeah, why don't I just put like a target on my head that says, hey, I'm here right now? So the one thing that I really like about disco is that they are actually off chain verifiable credentials, but they are secured by your private key. So it's technically just a JSON file that is stored off chain, but the only way to access that is through is through your wallet. So it's I know everyone that I've met, like who I've met doesn't need to be a public thing, like I don't know why. I really like that. We're going through this renaissance of like. Like a privacy renaissance is like cool, I want to own this data, I want to own this connection. It doesn't need to be owned by any other platform or seen by anyone, anyone else, and I think this kind of and I really hope that we're really over this flexing era within, like this whole crypto thing, and I think that's why PoE upset really well back in 2021 22. Like cool, I was at this event, I did this, I did this, I did this, I was part of fricking everything and that was cool. But like that, I then think that really dilutes the purpose of the importance of certain things like we don't like. Perhaps a great for some things, but when it comes to personal connection, I think like off chain attestations are better.

BFG: 23:46

Oh yeah, totally agree. Yeah, it was just, you know, remind me of PoE, because something you you would typically get on an event I'm not a collector, probably have some because, sometimes you know it was fun or the design looked pretty cool. But otherwise, you know, I'm pretty much not a collector of anything except something colorful and only in digital form, because otherwise, you know, just moving around makes it very difficult and annoying. It's like who wants to take care of other stuff. It's enough to take care of me and my family Just move them around with the dogs. Okay, so Istanbul was. The was the kind of like the MVP test yes, cool, and so what the Istanbul was I think we were all in Istanbul was November, right. Yes so what happened since then and was the next step.

Winny.eth: 24:50

Yeah, of course the next pilot. Okay. So since then, we have just been we've been figuring out a new way to actually manufacture, because it's just not scalable at the moment with compression molding. It's an incredibly it's just it's just not scalable right now. So we've we have to get it out in the last few days and we're using a different, we're using different chips now as well that are less susceptible to breaking. So it's just been kind of refining it and making it as elegant and streamlined as possible, and then we are coming out with a full set of it's going to be a full set of, I think, about 24 nails in like a really like an aluminium matchbox kind of tin, which is. It's a very cute design and, yeah, they're going to go to retail, I think at the end of February. Wow so right, yeah, so right now it's just working on the marketing campaigns, working on how we can get like the normal nail artists and people who like web to tech girlies interested. So how it's going to work when we've when they go to production, is that when you tap it with your phone, it goes to a dynamic profile with Kiki, so with that kind of like a link tree. So like, oh, do I want it to go to my Instagram, to my Twitter? There's options for attestations. It's how do we find like a web 2.0, like oh, yeah, cool, I've got everything gets seen together. So it's like oh, follow me on Instagram. But also, do you want to create an attestation that we met? Like, you don't have to, you can. And I think that's just going to be a really nice non-threatening way to get people to be using it and without realizing that there's there's blockchain involved. And another thing that we have at the moment, until the end of January, we're doing voting. So just the regular prototype that we did was just an endued kind of color, but we're going to start creating different colors and different design sets and that's all going to be done through through governance and through community voting. And and another thing that we learned from Istanbul was sizes are really important, lengths and all of that. So get people voting on the different like what actual products they want to see made, because it's it's nails are like, even for the dudes dudes wanted the dudes wanted nails. But also, when you think from, like you know, trans, trans women, drag queens, everyone like just this traditional, like female size medium thumb is not going to be fitting for everybody and we want to kind of go with that kind of inclusivity of like you know, this is for literally anyone. Like you don't have to be a girl to wear to wear a credit nails because it's fun, it's actually just a fun piece of tech and so, yeah, we just kind of want to start building products at the community.

BFG: 27:36

When I say so it's got I. So I think it backs two questions. First one so you probably almost answered that was like I can imagine. Probably I wouldn't say that 10 years ago, but I can imagine nowadays that even nails can be like a viral product among guys interested in tech, Just for the fun of it was very impractical. So I do all of those forces as well, and that's basically. Hair are impractical and nails are impractical in all of these endeavors, so why why not some other, like a form or format? I mean, what is there a way to press the chip into, I don't know, in my, into my book or something else, into my cap?

Winny.eth: 28:36

I mean, like I YK is doing, I like the biggest ones of like NFC chips that I've been seen creating products like that. This is just fun Like. Fun is a KPI, like. And also the girlies, the girls want tech like. Not everything has to be. I don't wear a baseball cap. Do I want to be walking around? I have one of the 90 CC ones. Do I wear it? No, do I wear acrylic nails every day? Yes, I do, and impractical. I can just take them off, like so quickly and then put them right back on.

BFG: 29:08

No, so I I'm not against nails. I think nails need to stay. That's no question. I'm just asking can I press the nails or something else?

Winny.eth: 29:17

You know it's like this is, I think, near electric. Nfc tech is really, really cool and it's something that we just haven't been using and it's been around since 1983. So, yeah, there are so many, so many things you can put an NFC chip in, and that's like one thing that I also want to really start facilitating with. Gossip is just and you know, working with brands like I YK is how do we get these activations, how do we get products that are exciting and fun and putting NFC chips and things, just because it is like let's just get silly goofy on the timeline?

BFG: 29:49

Okay, I'm on one more for it. I would probably rather see a lot of goofy nails on my timeline than a lot of about.

Winny.eth: 30:00

BTC ETF approval.

BFG: 30:04

It's like all Gary Gunsler so yeah, I'm all for goofy nails. In this one At least, it will be fun. Okay, cool. And so you mentioned voting. So gossip protocol is a DAO, or is it just a community and you guys decided to do voting? How does it work?

Winny.eth: 30:25

So the voting is through Kiki World. So Kiki as a decentralized beauty brand, they that's been their main, that's been the foundation of the kind of products that they're creating. So they started with, like I think I have one somewhere, I definitely have one somewhere, it's right here. So, like this is like Kiki's original product. It's like it's it's like nail polish, but you got to vote on which colors, on which colors were made. So they've done a couple of rounds of that and now they're doing other beauty products and it's all about just kind of creating just the most popular product that gets voted on. And I just think that's a really fun way to like guess how I feel like the way that e-commerce is going is we used to live in that we live in like such a hierarchical society when it comes to commerce, you know the person on the top besides or like something besides, and then you just become a consumer. And I think now the whole idea of co-creation with brands is really exciting and it just it just makes you feel like you're less of a slave to capitalism, even though everything we do is a little bit like it's just capitalism, but like we make capitalism fun.

BFG: 31:34

No, I'm all for. Like you know, let's make it to order.

Winny.eth: 31:39

That's not a problem.

BFG: 31:40

Okay, so that's what the whole thing is about, okay.

Winny.eth: 31:45

Yeah, gossip protocol is. It is what it is, but it's a vessel for causing chaos on chain is what I call it. But yeah, it's just to get you know our community members voting on the things that they want so that we're actually creating something of value.

BFG: 32:02

You know when utility Okay, so wait, I probably forgot to touch early on on the team. So who's working on gossip with you?

Winny.eth: 32:15

So gossip is pretty much just me oh, kind of oh. But then I'm also just bring I'm now bringing on Brooke Lacey. She's an incredible security like you know cybersecurity developer, but also very in touch with the tick tock side of tech and everything. She's. She's amazing. So she's coming on to assist with everything, but it is mostly just me, and then when it comes to chipped, it is myself and the Kiki team and the disco team.

BFG: 32:45

Okay, awesome, hmm. So basically, if I remember correctly, everybody should get excited towards the end of February Because there is something in a Polish aluminum box coming out. Yes, is it going to be, like you know, publicly available or through?

Winny.eth: 33:08

Kiki, it's going to be, yeah, it's, yeah, it'll be publicly available to retail.

BFG: 33:16

Awesome, good, I see we are on around 30 minutes, so probably last question. Is there anything you would like to give like shout out to which is coming up for you? Go see, you know for the others.

Winny.eth: 33:38

Just give it for your favorite color. Follow us.

BFG: 33:41

All right.

Winny.eth: 33:42

If anyone wants, I've still got a few prototypes left. If anyone wants one cent, I am happy to send out some prototypes.

BFG: 33:50

Awesome, that's a generous offer, so we'll see. Well, look, I thank you very much. There was a lot of projects which are super interesting mentioned actually so I'll have a list of them and ask you for links. I can't find them. And and I actually really liked the part when you said that you started with the NFTs for movies, because I think I was one of the early supporters of Caledita, which was one of the movies which was I worked on Caledita as well. Yeah, so. So that was pretty cool idea which actually happened it was. It was a little bit unexpected, I think, because during the bull, you know, there was a lot of projects and they were then falling off left and right, and so when I received, like oh, Caledita is made, it's like, oh, really.

Winny.eth: 34:48

Yeah. So, we worked with Miguel at Schiller, so we were part of the team that helped facilitate that. So that was really like that was something I really loved as well. Yeah, Miguel's, Miguel's, incredible.

BFG: 35:00

He's great, all right, cool. Thank you very much, vinic.

Winny.eth: 35:04

Thanks for making the time.

BFG: 35:06

And I'm looking forward to the aluminum boxes coming out. I will definitely check them out. And maybe my wife will be happy and maybe I'll get one.

Winny.eth: 35:15

Amazing. Thank you so much for your time.

BFG: 35:18

Thanks.

Winny.eth: 35:19

I really appreciate it. Bye.

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